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Ekid
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 Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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The occupation of one of the principles of EBL.
Hummmmmmmmmmm doesnt strike me as the sort of business that would sustain a 50% interest payout .
That he wants EXTRA income ..of that I have no doubts!
| Quote: | Kerry miller sr
Power Marketing Group llc
Location:
Wisconsin USA
Occupation:
inboard/outboard repairs |
Now, while this person may be a very nice kind thoughtful married man, if he was capable of generating the kind of money he is offering YOU...then why is he operating a inboard/outboard repair shop?
If he was such a financial genius you would think he would OWN the boats ..not be repairing the engines. |
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okosh
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| Phoenix wrote: | The 'Guests and visitors' topic is back, with a lot of posts deleted, including jlpicard's damage control posts.
I think he may have told too many lies, even for the admin. |
I see you know of Michael(jlpicard) 
I spoke at length with him about EBL...he actually put forward some very good arguments as to why EBL would be a legal investment for me to consider.....
I'm now waiting for a reply from the SEC to my e-mail asking if EBL is legal or not.
Michael did ask me to contact him when the reply comes so I'll be sure to give him a ring...If the answer isn't to his liking I'll offer the SEC his home phone number. That way Michael can explain to the SEC why EBL is legal and does not require any sort of license or registration  |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| okosh wrote: | | I see you know of Michael(jlpicard) |
Would that be Michael Szczepaniak, of Canadian Venture Partners?
He doesn't seem to have much confidence in EBL lasting more than one year, judging by his site promoting this scam.
Domain Name: HIGHYIELDREBATES.COM
Creation Date: 24-may-2007
Expiration Date: 24-may-2008 |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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Another red flag. Why are they so desperate to hide from general view (SEC, FTC et al).
From their site:
| Quote: | | You agree that all information, communications, materials coming from Earnbyloaning.com are requested and must be kept private, confidential and protected from any disclosure. |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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They are getting even more desperate to hide from prying eyes. They know that free members are likely to reveal too much to the public eye, paid members, with a vested interest, are more likely to obey the rules.
The latest email from EBL:
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Subject: URGENT UPDATE
Date: 19 Sep 2007 19:34
From: ebl_response@earnbyloaning.info
Apparently from: nobody@server.handsfreebiz.com
To: xxx@safe-mail.net
Hello to all EBL members.
EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
Due to Server Maintenance, Data Storage & Customer Support Issues,
ALL FREE members have until Friday September 28th, 2007 to send
us the required ID documents as outlined in our TOS/FAQ on the main page.
If any FREE member does not send us there ID documents by
Friday September 28th, 2007 they will be removed from
the program and the forum.
From Saturday September 29th, 2007 onwards, when a member signs up,
any FREE accounts older than 7 days without ID Docs or funding will be
removed from the program.
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okosh
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| Phoenix wrote: |
Would that be Michael Szczepaniak, of Canadian Venture Partners?
He doesn't seem to have much confidence in EBL lasting more than one year, judging by his site promoting this scam.
Domain Name: HIGHYIELDREBATES.COM
Creation Date: 24-may-2007
Expiration Date: 24-may-2008 |
http://www.highyieldrebates.com/
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Page Not Found
The page you tried to access does not exist on this server. This page may not exist due to the following reasons: |
I don't think he's pimping EBL any more...
I wonder what made him change his mind??
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| okosh wrote: | | I'm now waiting for a reply from the SEC to my e-mail asking if EBL is legal or not. |
Did you get a reply from the SEC?
Part of an email from 4EBL, a major promoter of the EBL scam.
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Subject: EBL Update - Now open for new members again!
Date: 7 Oct 2007 05:46
From: Solomon Mayer <4ebl>
Hello everyone,
These are exciting times now at EBL. EBL has been
cleaning house to make sure that the signed up members
are legitimate, to improve and assure the quality of
its membership and preserve the security and integrity
of the program. So, EBL has removed all previous
sign-ups from the program that have not submitted ID
docs to identify themselves, after giving them 2 weeks
to do so.
Also, effective immediately, there will be no more
advertising on Forums or on the internet of any kind.
This includes search engines, signatures in forums,
website advertising, email marketing or list blasting.
(My website will be changed to comply with these
latest changes).
As a results, EBL has also changed the sign up
process. No longer can you use a referral link.
Instead, anyone interested in becoming a member will
have to be referred personally by another member.
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Hmmm ... Solomon ... another "snipped one" scammer? |
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Ekid
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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Is there still some life in Earnbyloaning?
.............
http://hyrol.alansmoneyblog.com/
| Quote: | If you have questions about Earn By Loaning or Quest Holdings Inc. please e-mail me and I'll do my best to answer them. If you want to seek membership in this exclusive program you'll have to get in touch with me and convince me that you're serious about your financial future and that you're ready to become a responsible member of our little group.
Send all your e-mails to allinvain6 at gmail.com (NO SPAM PLEASE!) |
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Ekid
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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Post removed: as stated
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Ekid
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Apr 16, 2007
EarnByLoaning: Interview and Review
Hello readers. Sharon of NoBS HYIP Blog conducted an interview with the managers of the EarnByLoaning (EBL) program. She also did a review of the program, and gave it a 4.5 out of 5 rating. I trust her judgement so I'd also like to extent my further recommendation of this program (I already recommended it already by simply having it on my blog - I only recommend the best).
Click the link below for the interview:
http://hyipblog.nobshyip.net/2007/04/16/earn-by-loaning-interview/
Click this link for the review:
http://hyipblog.nobshyip.net/2007/04/16/earn-by-loaning-review/
If you'd like to thank me for welcoming you to this opportunity please join using my referral link:
https://earnbyloaning.com/register.php?ref=allinvain
---UPDATE June 01, 2007 ---
Just to let you all know I have well over $600 in this program, and once this program gets approved by a ROTH IRA company I intend to invest an even more substantial sum. To find out more about the SD-ROTH IRA approval CLICK HERE to read a recent post of mine about it
---UPDATE June 02, 2007-
Program has been approved by a SD ROTH IRA company as a legitimate investment opportunity. To read more about this visit this blog posting:
CLICK HERE!
Posted by Alan V at 4:58 AM
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Ekid
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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So much for the EBL forum
| Quote: | EarnByLoaning October 12, 2007, 03:51:06 PM
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length
News: To all non-documented forum members,
Craig, Troy and I have decided to wait another week before removing forum members who have not complied with their DD docs to the main program. This forum will be made completely private to PAID and DD submitted members only. We have also already started removing the FREE members and undocumented members from the program. If you wish to be a part of this great program, get your DD docs in ASAP.
5th Oct 2007- Free members with NO ID Docs have been deleted from the forum. |
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allinvain
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:58 am Post subject: |
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EDit: personal details removed by request
And what is your point? What I am not allowed to have my house on the market just like everyone else?
You people haven't revealed one bit of incriminating evidence about EBL.
The only thing you guys successfully do is harass other people.
I also got one rather mysterious phone call recently from some guy who purports to be "John'. He had an atrocious Asian accent and could barely speak any English at all.
After seeing this post I am suspecting that someone from this forum is to blame. After this unfortunate but avoidable accident I removed contact info from that posting. But, mark my words, if anyone attempts that again I will get the law involved in on this.
Now if you guys are supposedly so good at investigating scams why don't you concentrate your efforts on EBL itself and stop harassing the members. So far it looks as if you haven't succeeded in your efforts so you resort to harassing anyone associated with EBL.
I want to see some solid proof folks, not pure speculation and guesswork. Have you any solid proof? |
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Ekid
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:12 am Post subject: |
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You can sell anything...or everything you own..I dont give a rats.
I guess you are just making so much money from EBL you are just upsizing
| Quote: | | I also got one rather mysterious phone call recently from some guy who purports to be "John'. He had an atrocious Asian accent and could barely speak any English at all. |
Lucky you..maybe he was a telemarketer.
You are flogging ( promoting ) an illegal product..I guess you can expect some unhappy customers |
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Ekid
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | After seeing this post I am suspecting that someone from this forum is to blame. After this unfortunate but avoidable accident I removed contact info from that posting. But, mark my words, if anyone attempts that again I will get the law involved in on this |
Or anyone else who has read your add...best if you just put the house in the hands of an agent. |
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allinvain
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| Ekid wrote: | | Quote: | | After seeing this post I am suspecting that someone from this forum is to blame. After this unfortunate but avoidable accident I removed contact info from that posting. But, mark my words, if anyone attempts that again I will get the law involved in on this |
Or anyone else who has read your add...best if you just put the house in the hands of an agent. |
lol..Maybe. I have a suspicious mind so when I saw the posting here with a link to my for-sale ad I just put the two together. Maybe I was wrong. |
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allinvain
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| Ekid wrote: | You can sell anything...or everything you own..I dont give a rats.
I guess you are just making so much money from EBL you are just upsizing
| Quote: | | I also got one rather mysterious phone call recently from some guy who purports to be "John'. He had an atrocious Asian accent and could barely speak any English at all. |
Lucky you..maybe he was a telemarketer.
You are flogging ( promoting ) an illegal product..I guess you can expect some unhappy customers |
umm..no, I am not "making so much money" and I am not "upsizing"...and as for promoting an "illegal product" I think all of you failed to prove that it's so called "illegal". You are just speculating. Why don't you produce some document or some info from the SEC or whatever alphabet soup agency you can find?
I have no doubt you are "trying to bust scams" but sorry to say, but you aren't very effective.
As for the "promotional" site. Well, even though I genuinely believe EBL is not a scam (could be wrong but I feel reasonably confident) I think I'll just take off the so called "promotional" site. |
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Ekid
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| If you do that then I am sort of obligated to do something nice in return..like removing your details ..or something |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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@ allinvain. EBL is a SCAM! That makes you, as a promoter of EBL, a SCAMMER!!!
The chief promoters of the EBL SCAM:
Brian Zelenak, aka epayday, aka,epaydaytg
Michael Szczepaniak, aka jlpickard
Solomon Mayer, aka 4EBL, aka 4loan
Allan ?, aka allinvain |
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allinvain
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Phoenix wrote: | @ allinvain. EBL is a SCAM! That makes you, as a promoter of EBL, a SCAMMER!!!
The chief promoters of the EBL SCAM:
Brian Zelenak, aka epayday, aka,epaydaytg
Michael Szczepaniak, aka jlpickard
Solomon Mayer, aka 4EBL, aka 4loan
Allan ?, aka allinvain |
Meh..I don't think you convinced me that EBL is a scam, but whatever, I took down whatever was remaining of my "promotional" page. What I do ask in return is that you take off any references to my e-mail address and that post to my property for sale.
Now get back to your scam busting activities...and hey if you've got something substantial feel free to let me know. |
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littleroundman
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| allinvain wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | @ allinvain. EBL is a SCAM! That makes you, as a promoter of EBL, a SCAMMER!!!
The chief promoters of the EBL SCAM:
Brian Zelenak, aka epayday, aka,epaydaytg
Michael Szczepaniak, aka jlpickard
Solomon Mayer, aka 4EBL, aka 4loan
Allan ?, aka allinvain |
Meh..I don't think you convinced me that EBL is a scam, but whatever, I took down whatever was remaining of my "promotional" page. What I do ask in return is that you take off any references to my e-mail address and that post to my property for sale.
Now get back to your scam busting activities...and hey if you've got something substantial feel free to let me know. |
See, allinvain, I think you're labouring under the misapprehension that anyone wants or needs to convince you of anything.
It's your money, your time and your decision to do whatever you wish with both.
Unfortunately, that's not where the story ends.
You and your cohorts made the massive jump from "HYIP game" to outright fraud when:
You allowed your game to appear on the internet
You targeted retirees and self directed IRAs. "Elder" fraud is viewed with great disgust by lawmakers.
You misrepresented a connection with both Paypal and Pensco Trust.
You refused to back off when warned.
See, there's this nifty little phrase on the statute books especially designed for situations like this, where people hold what they're promoting out as being legitimate.
It goes something like: "The defendant knew or should have known that the opportunity he was offering/promoting was illegal" Accepting the word of a promoter without doing your own due diligence is a recipe for personal disaster.
Ask all the people being sued by the CEP receiver if blindly accepting the word of a fraudster is considered an excuse.
Never fear, my cocky friend, the law may move slowly, but move it does.
The fact that you and your mates real names are prominently available connecting you all to this scam only makes prosecution more likely.
Added to which, the aggresive and dismissive way in which you have all responded to being "outed" has, without doubt, made damned sure many "victims" will not lay down and go away until justice is not only done, but seen to be done.
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allinvain
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="littleroundman"] | allinvain wrote: | | Phoenix wrote: | @ allinvain. EBL is a SCAM! That makes you, as a promoter of EBL, a SCAMMER!!!
The chief promoters of the EBL SCAM:
Brian Zelenak, aka epayday, aka,epaydaytg
Michael Szczepaniak, aka jlpickard
Solomon Mayer, aka 4EBL, aka 4loan
Allan ?, aka allinvain |
Meh..I don't think you convinced me that EBL is a scam, but whatever, I took down whatever was remaining of my "promotional" page. What I do ask in return is that you take off any references to my e-mail address and that post to my property for sale.
Now get back to your scam busting activities...and hey if you've got something substantial feel free to let me know. |
| Quote: | | See, allinvain, I think you're labouring under the misapprehension that anyone wants or needs to convince you of anything. |
Yah Yah, I know. I got the message that you're all just a bunch of sour lips who just like to spew vitriol. I don't think you guys are here to prove anything just to attack and berate anything you somehow "feel" is a scam. It's all a big waste of time, so I don't think I'll be participating in this discussion any more. You all don't strike me as serious (perhaps there are some exceptions).
| Quote: | It's your money, your time and your decision to do whatever you wish with both.
Unfortunately, that's not where the story ends. |
there you go again with the threats..
| Quote: | You and your cohorts made the massive jump from "HYIP game" to outright fraud when:
You allowed your game to appear on the internet |
Ummm..I've got news for you buddy. All HYIP games are "on the internet" And there you go again making false associations. Tisk tisk.
| Quote: | | You targeted retirees and self directed IRAs. "Elder" fraud is viewed with great disgust by lawmakers. |
Wrong, there is now "You" here. *I* did not target anyone. Stop with your silly groupthink, okay?.
| Quote: | You misrepresented a connection with both Paypal and Pensco Trust.
You refused to back off when warned. |
Ah, so you have proof that Pensco Trust did not aprove EBL for use? Let's see it.
| Quote: | | See, there's this nifty little phrase on the statute books especially designed for situations like this, where people hold what they're promoting out as being legitimate. |
Oh please don't ask like you're a lawyer.
| Quote: | | It goes something like: "The defendant knew or should have known that the opportunity he was offering/promoting was illegal" Accepting the word of a promoter without doing your own due diligence is a recipe for personal disaster. |
| Quote: | Ask all the people being sued by the CEP receiver if blindly accepting the word of a fraudster is considered an excuse.
Never fear, my cocky friend, the law may move slowly, but move it does. |
Yep, and you have no clue about the law. You just like to make threats. Period.
| Quote: | | The fact that you and your mates real names are prominently available connecting you all to this scam only makes prosecution more likely. |
tisk tisk...more threats...
| Quote: | | Added to which, the aggresive and dismissive way in which you have all responded to being "outed" has, without doubt, made damned sure many "victims" will not lay down and go away until justice is not only done, but seen to be done. |
ahahahah..agressive? it's not like you folks were civil either. Give me a break, all I've heard from most of you are just "scam" "scammer"
so whatever, I've given up on you..take care... |
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Phoenix
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | so whatever, I've given up on you..take care... |
Ah, but I haven't given up on you. I'm going to expose you for what you are, you scamming little toerag! |
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dairy
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Ekid
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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So what are you trying to say?
Its easier and quicker if you make a statement without quotes, your "first" post is a bit of a jumble.
Why is it in the EBL thread...if you dont reply today..I will most likely delete your post..
Edit : Instead of deleteing..Dairy's post have been relocated to Lost and Found ..thread located in Open Season.
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dairy
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:59 am Post subject: |
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